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Wreckfest => General Discussion => Topic started by: BenDover on April 21, 2017, 02:30:22 AM

Title: Its time to save this game!
Post by: BenDover on April 21, 2017, 02:30:22 AM
I have been thinking that we all in the community should try to get the game more alive like it was befor, 100+ players daily atm is really good for the game. But why not try to get even more?

What I was thinking is that you guys who have a twitter account should tweet something with the tags #Bugbear #NextCarGame #Wreckfest and if you have an community or know about any community pages try to get them into the game again. Yeah this game arent what it was befor and thats might be a case why many have left, but lets try to fix that, lets as many as we can know about the game and remind old players who havent played in a while. Maybe we could reach 150+ players atleast, I wanna aim for more but its better to aim for lower then to high, if we can get 200+ players it would be awesome, I gonna tweet them on saturday around 20.00 PM CET+1 and even whrite something on my steamgroup to try to get some more ppl in. If you do have a community in NCG use it and try to get some players back!!

We might not agree with eachother all the time but we all love this game, so lets unite and help BB to bring back this game and make it more alive!! We have nothing to lose on this!! :)

With the BETA update coming next month it could be nice to get some players back now befor going into BETA, so lets do this! :D

Title: Re: Its time to save this game!
Post by: gamefreaktay on April 21, 2017, 07:20:03 AM
I just got this game a little less than 2 weeks ago and am loving it already!  I think it is a great idea to help this game out by sharing it ourselves.  Great idea! #Wreckfest
Title: Re: Its time to save this game!
Post by: Col. Kurtz on April 21, 2017, 08:18:04 AM
This game should have a consistent 10k  players daily. 

The dev cycle and lack of proper presence on steam has lost a lot of people. 
The majority of players left before a lot of content was added, or the menus / UI worked all of the time,  and before major  much needed  optimizations.

Wreckfest seems to be possibly the biggest example of "pre-releasing" too early.  The market is flooded with new releases / ea titles all of the time and you have to hold interest
with the first impression to gain a fan base in the industry it appears.  Its ridiculous that a lot of ea games have lost all of the player base long before they release.

It is a struggle sometimes to find a good server after 7pm PST.   This is unbelievable given there isn't anything quite like it.
I think they should really push hard on beta release and have a 30% off sale and spend all of the profits on promotion hype.
A great incentive  would be to add an "official" steam workshop mod  that highlights some of the best ragdoll minigames from past titles.
You can never go wrong with crash dummy targets and flaming hoops.
Now that the game actually runs well on most gpu, it could finally earn a proper following.


Title: Re: Its time to save this game!
Post by: Konan on April 21, 2017, 10:05:18 AM
The moment i signed in for this game i started a thread on the Pcars forum about it and it generated quite some interest from people who intend to sign in or buy it upon release...
The player base imo should rise considerably once the beta for consoles is released also...
Title: Re: Its time to save this game!
Post by: Zebulon55 on April 21, 2017, 10:38:09 AM
I expect more interest when it reaches beta, but mostly when release day finally comes.
I'm all for stirring up interest in it though.
Maybe the time is coming for another of Raceclimb's 24 hours of LeMash weekends.  ;D
Title: Re: Its time to save this game!
Post by: conso1727 on April 21, 2017, 10:57:07 AM
Do you remember the  "A Call for Communication" event they did many years ago when a lot of people played Half Life 2 for (I believe) an hour at the same time as a way for Valve to ask for more clarity and communication?
Maybe, if we did the same with Wreckfest Bugbear would understand we care about the game, and want more communication from them.
Title: Re: Its time to save this game!
Post by: DD-Indeed on April 21, 2017, 11:06:27 AM
First of all, not many people agree on each others and some bitterness have caused the community split a bit, I'm not the most liked person around here as well, but even I can say, that year ago, when I was active on the game, the amount of players were a bit higher than now, and the biggest peaks I managed to withness was back in July/August 2015, September 2015 and February/March 2016 (and the charts show, that basically the whole Spring of 2015 was golden time for the game). But right now, the game feels better than ever and is so enjoyable and fun, so this is the good moment to lure people back in, even if they are just doing casual racing daily/weekly. Trouble is to get them to hear about it. Steam groups doesn't help that much, since most people just skip those annoucements, so good word of mouth propably is the best, but the most demanding way of doing it.
Title: Re: Its time to save this game!
Post by: Purple44 on April 21, 2017, 11:20:10 AM
This game should have a consistent 10k  players daily. 

The dev cycle and lack of proper presence on steam has lost a lot of people. 
The majority of players left before a lot of content was added, or the menus / UI worked all of the time,  and before major  much needed  optimizations.

Wreckfest seems to be possibly the biggest example of "pre-releasing" too early.  The market is flooded with new releases / ea titles all of the time and you have to hold interest
with the first impression to gain a fan base in the industry it appears.  Its ridiculous that a lot of ea games have lost all of the player base long before they release.

It is a struggle sometimes to find a good server after 7pm PST.   This is unbelievable given there isn't anything quite like it.
I think they should really push hard on beta release and have a 30% off sale and spend all of the profits on promotion hype.
A great incentive  would be to add an "official" steam workshop mod  that highlights some of the best ragdoll minigames from past titles.
You can never go wrong with crash dummy targets and flaming hoops.
Now that the game actually runs well on most gpu, it could finally earn a proper following.


I doubt there many PC racing games that do 10,000 players a day, except for sim like Assetto Corsa and Project Cars. Wreckfest maybe reach those levels the first 3 months Build #6 that gave us first taste of online back in Oct 2014. I don't see online reaching those levels again until final version of Wreckfest get release.

http://steamcharts.com/app/228380#All

A lot Wreckfest players are waiting for a full blown career mode to test.

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I been planning on sending out a message to all the Wreckfest Steam friends I got when beta branch Build get release and maybe wait for the first hotfix before I send out the message to give Wreckfest a second look.

On Saturday nights when I go online, I send a message ( Hi, you racing Wreckfest tonight? ) to players I see are online in my Steam friends list. I usually get few to join the lobby I'm in. :)

Title: Re: Its time to save this game!
Post by: Purple44 on April 21, 2017, 11:45:56 AM
Do you remember the  "A Call for Communication" event they did many years ago when a lot of people played Half Life 2 for (I believe) an hour at the same time as a way for Valve to ask for more clarity and communication?
Maybe, if we did the same with Wreckfest Bugbear would understand we care about the game, and want more communication from them.


Bugbear know we want them to communicate more, especially Janne. But a few the Devs that use to visit and post in the forum have left Bugbear. :( 

Olli Teittinen - http://community.bugbeargames.com/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=61 (http://community.bugbeargames.com/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=61)
Tapio Vierros - http://community.bugbeargames.com/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=1193 (http://community.bugbeargames.com/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=1193)
Tero - http://community.bugbeargames.com/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=39 (http://community.bugbeargames.com/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=39)
Jukka Merikanto - http://community.bugbeargames.com/index.php?action=profile;u=6;area=showposts;start=0 (http://community.bugbeargames.com/index.php?action=profile;u=6;area=showposts;start=0)



The current Devs at Bugbear studio got their plate full right now trying get the beta branch Build ready to release.
Title: Re: Its time to save this game!
Post by: TheEngiGuy on April 21, 2017, 01:29:48 PM
If you want to save this game, take the "game's abandoned and abusing early access" reviews off the Top Helpful category.

Heck, I want to see if you'd be able to find a counterargument for my review.

Wreckfest seems to be possibly the biggest example of "pre-releasing" too early.  The market is flooded with new releases / ea titles all of the time and you have to hold interest
with the first impression to gain a fan base in the industry it appears.  Its ridiculous that a lot of ea games have lost all of the player base long before they release.

Good point. Online activity dropping down overtime and different people asking for different drastic changes to the game are a problem for pre-alpha games.
Title: Re: Its time to save this game!
Post by: Finsku on April 21, 2017, 01:44:13 PM
To be honest we can do something but it doesn't have so much influence. I'm looking and waiting Bugbear to be more active on SOME.

> Post couple images per week (not only in Twitter)
> Players will create short (max 30sec) video and maybe Bugbear will use it in their YT channel.
> Share players' amazing videos in social media (doesn't need extra time)
> AMA. Takes one evening (1-4 hours)
> Updates videos/pictures in Steam page (WTF OLD NEXT CAR GAME VIDEO C'MON!)
> Gives social media rules for some active players who wants to update medias and share other user's videos mods etc.

I created a Facebook page (NCG: Wreckfest Community (https://www.facebook.com/NCG-Wreckfest-Community-558653530980358)) try to fix Bugbear's bad some activity in Facebook. Running the page alone with limited time the activity was poor (soon graduating).
If someone is interested to update the page please PM me with some information  :)
Title: Re: Its time to save this game!
Post by: BenDover on April 21, 2017, 02:45:32 PM
I just got this game a little less than 2 weeks ago and am loving it already!  I think it is a great idea to help this game out by sharing it ourselves.  Great idea! #Wreckfest

Yeah the game have improved alot the couple of months so glad to have you onboard :)

The moment i signed in for this game i started a thread on the Pcars forum about it and it generated quite some interest from people who intend to sign in or buy it upon release...
The player base imo should rise considerably once the beta for consoles is released also...

That sounds awesome! Would be fun to have them on already next month IF the beta update comes but its nice to see ppl are intressted ! :D

Do you remember the  "A Call for Communication" event they did many years ago when a lot of people played Half Life 2 for (I believe) an hour at the same time as a way for Valve to ask for more clarity and communication?
Maybe, if we did the same with Wreckfest Bugbear would understand we care about the game, and want more communication from them.

No I dont remember that sadly, but yeah that would be great and to show BB we really care and want to help them build up this game again! :)

First of all, not many people agree on each others and some bitterness have caused the community split a bit, I'm not the most liked person around here as well, but even I can say, that year ago, when I was active on the game, the amount of players were a bit higher than now, and the biggest peaks I managed to withness was back in July/August 2015, September 2015 and February/March 2016 (and the charts show, that basically the whole Spring of 2015 was golden time for the game). But right now, the game feels better than ever and is so enjoyable and fun, so this is the good moment to lure people back in, even if they are just doing casual racing daily/weekly. Trouble is to get them to hear about it. Steam groups doesn't help that much, since most people just skip those annoucements, so good word of mouth propably is the best, but the most demanding way of doing it.

I agree what you saying, we have had some fights in the community and its sad we all have been splitted and maybe one day we all will get togheter, I was hoping we all do it tomorrow for in the end, we all love this game! Same here, I am not so liked here eaither and it is what it is but now is the time to unite and do something togheter, I know we can do it if we all just stop beeing so thick headed all the time haha :P

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From Purple44
I been planning on sending out a message to all the Wreckfest Steam friends I got when beta branch Build get release and maybe wait for the first hotfix before I send out the message to give Wreckfest a second look.

On Saturday nights when I go online, I send a message ( Hi, you racing Wreckfest tonight? ) to players I see are online in my Steam friends list. I usually get few to join the lobby I'm in. :)

Great idea man! I will do the same when the beta update comes! :D

To be honest we can do something but it doesn't have so much influence. I'm looking and waiting Bugbear to be more active on SOME.

> Post couple images per week (not only in Twitter)
> Players will create short (max 30sec) video and maybe Bugbear will use it in their YT channel.
> Share players' amazing videos in social media (doesn't need extra time)
> AMA. Takes one evening (1-4 hours)
> Updates videos/pictures in Steam page (WTF OLD NEXT CAR GAME VIDEO C'MON!)
> Gives social media rules for some active players who wants to update medias and share other user's videos mods etc.

I created a Facebook page (NCG: Wreckfest Community (https://www.facebook.com/NCG-Wreckfest-Community-558653530980358)) try to fix Bugbear's bad some activity in Facebook. Running the page alone with limited time the activity was poor (soon graduating).
If someone is interested to update the page please PM me with some information  :)


We all wants them to be more active, and maybe if we show them that we care and the love we have for this game, they might see it and change it, but thats not the purpose of this "event" but I totally agrees with you, and if anyone have any other suggestions what we could do tomorrow I am all yours :)

IF noone PM you Finsku about helping you, contact me in PM and I will help out if you really cant find any other who is willing to help :)



I know this can be a long shot but lets try tomorrow, lets help BB to save the game, we can do our part and then we let BB do thiers, its time to unite, we all need to drop the battleaxe and build up the community togheter!
Title: Re: Its time to save this game!
Post by: Dr. Destructo by Hazbro on April 21, 2017, 02:47:02 PM
Ultimately it's in Bugbear's court in how successful / popular their game is. This is not their first rodeo because they've been around for 16+  years now.

I think they have a pretty good idea of what they need to do and what plans they could implement to regain popularity and favor in the gaming community. I will admit that I really get tired of all the negative reviews I see on Steam  and I also know that a lot of those are old and certainly don't reflect the current build with all the great changes they've made. Then again, THEY are going to have to find a way to turn that around as well.

Maybe if they hire someone to strictly handle the PR end of things to remind gamers about their game with the latest updates and just keep it as "visible" as possible on as many social sites, forums, gaming review sites as they can.

It may also help to create as many progress videos as they can to show the latest changes they've made and maybe give much more attention to show what the modding community have come up with to show what's possible creatively to bring in a more varied crowd.
Title: Re: Its time to save this game!
Post by: St. Jimmy on April 21, 2017, 03:08:53 PM
Depending on if my job interview went well, I might not be playing much in the summer period in online because my wheel would be left behind 200km away. No room for it. But I guess I'll continue experimenting with BagEdit.

But if/when the console release comes, I know couple friends where I could enjoy a good dose of WreckFest every now and then ;)
Title: Re: Its time to save this game!
Post by: RickyB on April 21, 2017, 04:00:16 PM
Appreciate the enthusiasm, BUT I'd definitely wait for the update that features new UI and paintshop and hopefully some needed fixes.

First impressions are important - if someone is trying to "lure back" (win back) players that haven't played a long time or even uninstalled it a year ago - then it would be a much better time with a fresh polished UI and stuff to make a new better impression. Otherwise I can only imagine a lot of reactions would be like:

"Oh, hmm, same ugly UI, same weird crew and repair mechanic, still no career, not really a lot of car paint jobs (a car with ONE skin?) ... Sandpit 1 Route 1 Reverse is messed up = undrivable... The ragdoll is still broken... ? eehhm, no thanks."

This is not what I would like to have as a new first impression (probably not even bugbear) :) It's just not an ideal time right now.
Title: Re: Its time to save this game!
Post by: BenDover on April 22, 2017, 03:46:39 AM
Appreciate the enthusiasm, BUT I'd definitely wait for the update that features new UI and paintshop and hopefully some needed fixes.

First impressions are important - if someone is trying to "lure back" (win back) players that haven't played a long time or even uninstalled it a year ago - then it would be a much better time with a fresh polished UI and stuff to make a new better impression. Otherwise I can only imagine a lot of reactions would be like:

"Oh, hmm, same ugly UI, same weird crew and repair mechanic, still no career, not really a lot of car paint jobs (a car with ONE skin?) ... Sandpit 1 Route 1 Reverse is messed up = undrivable... The ragdoll is still broken... ? eehhm, no thanks."

This is not what I would like to have as a new first impression (probably not even bugbear) :) It's just not an ideal time right now.

Ppl will still come for the beta update, why not try to bring more life into the game befor, the last 3 updates have been good for the gameplay, just becuse we know there would come a new UI many dosent know that and are fine with the UI, and the crew and repair is easy to understand + you dont need to fix your car alot :P About car paints I dont care, ofc it could be fun with more paint jobs but its EA. Sandpit I can see like the only problem here tbh, who cares about the ragdolls? Its nothing who destroy gameplay :P
Title: Re: Its time to save this game!
Post by: lastbreath on April 22, 2017, 03:50:01 AM
I'm going to buy the game on next discount )) User tracks saved this game for me ))
Title: Re: Its time to save this game!
Post by: Telekill on April 22, 2017, 03:14:08 PM
I joined up last week or so preordering the PS4 version. I'm not expecting the PS4 version until probably late summer or early fall regardless that it stated Spring 2017. That said, I ended up downloading the beta on my computer and to my shock the game actually ran. Keep in mind, my PC is probably about as powerful as an Xbox 360. I will say that the physics need a bit of work as my car felt like butter. I've never seen a car get as crushed as my car got in a short few seconds. My driver would definitely have been dead and yet the car was still driving.

I'm still very excited for the PS4 release but haven't returned to the beta of the game because I don't have a lot of gaming time anymore. Mid 30's with a family and full time job tend to take most of my time. Then I'm playing games like For Honor and Mass Effect Andromeda and enjoying the hell out of those on my PS4. I also just picked up a Nintendo Switch for the family and will be knee deep in Zelda and Mario Kart a week from today.

It's a great year for gaming with games in nearly every genre hitting on most systems and quite a few incredible top tier games releasing. There is so much to play right now that there just isn't the time. If Bugbear want to get more people to come to this game then they need to really step up their advertising. The community can do a little but we shouldn't be counted on to be the pull of the game. I did do my part and made threads on the gaming forums I visit regularly but there wasn't much in the way of replies. I guess it's a niche racing game.
Title: Re: Its time to save this game!
Post by: RickyB on April 22, 2017, 03:37:13 PM
... why not try to bring more life into the game befor, ...

I just tried to explain that.
who cares (...) ?

Other people. Other people are out there who care about stuff like usability, look and feel of the UI, car skins, working ragdoll, working maps that don't crash the game when your grass settings are higher than medium, a small figure 8 track where fences don't overlap into the track, cars sometimes bouncing off the ground like crazy after a landing, etc. etc. A lot of small things that, combined, can easily make a bad first impression to other people.
Title: Re: Its time to save this game!
Post by: Purple44 on April 22, 2017, 06:05:58 PM
... why not try to bring more life into the game befor, ...

I just tried to explain that.
who cares (...) ?

Other people. Other people are out there who care about stuff like usability, look and feel of the UI, car skins, working ragdoll, working maps that don't crash the game when your grass settings are higher than medium, a small figure 8 track where fences don't overlap into the track, cars sometimes bouncing off the ground like crazy after a landing, etc. etc. A lot of small things that, combined, can easily make a bad first impression to other people.

I agree, I don't think Wreckfest is ready yet for a second look for those players that been gone from the game a year or more. They may of tried a bad Build that drove some away and current Build has some issues, like Sandpit 1. So I will wait for a stable beta Branch release before I try and get guys to give Wreckfest a second look.
Title: Re: Its time to save this game!
Post by: BenDover on April 22, 2017, 06:56:27 PM
Yeah I will just drop it then, just trying to take the community togheter but it was a waste of time. I see that now. Trying to do something positive for the community but nah, its not worth it anymore.
Title: Re: Its time to save this game!
Post by: Tonza on April 22, 2017, 08:00:22 PM
Yeah I will just drop it then, just trying to take the community togheter but it was a waste of time. I see that now. Trying to do something positive for the community but nah, its not worth it anymore.
I think "anymore" is bit too harsh to say.. hopefully the next update gets some attention to Wreckfest again. It's better to wait for more polished build.
Title: Re: Its time to save this game!
Post by: Konan on April 22, 2017, 08:03:31 PM
True...no need to give up...the time will come :-))
Title: Re: Its time to save this game!
Post by: Purple44 on April 22, 2017, 11:39:08 PM
Yeah I will just drop it then, just trying to take the community togheter but it was a waste of time. I see that now. Trying to do something positive for the community but nah, its not worth it anymore.

You got good idea Ben, but these players come back for second look and take a spin on Snadpit 1, a popular track, they going be upset again and we could lose them for good. The timing for your idea just not right, I think. Sometime next month we should get the new Beta Branch, Wreckfest will have a new look and hopefully the long awaited for career mode to start testing and maybe the 5 second delayed reset and Team scoring that scales with the numbers that are in the race will be in Wreckfest. Be good time then for past players to take that second look before Wreckfest reaches final version release later this year.
Title: Re: Its time to save this game!
Post by: DD-Indeed on May 07, 2017, 09:42:21 AM
Last night I played the game again with friend and I was suprised, how empty the online multiplayer was. There was only two servers, with around 15 players in each, so total of 30 players. So definitely heavy promotion is needed to be done until the final release to convince people to start playing it again. Current state of the game shows a good promise regarding to the future, but it's still too much reminding people about the issues it still has. New UI would definitely do good for it and improve the overall impression, so people would treat it more like a ''new game''.
Title: Re: Its time to save this game!
Post by: BenDover on May 07, 2017, 08:39:25 PM
Yeah 110 online atm and only around 35 who is playing online...
Title: Re: Its time to save this game!
Post by: rhamm on May 08, 2017, 03:40:33 AM
I'll come back when the game is done. You guys continue to beta test.

Title: Re: Its time to save this game!
Post by: Janne Suur-Näkki on June 06, 2017, 07:19:10 PM
Appreciate the enthusiasm, BUT I'd definitely wait for the update that features new UI and paintshop and hopefully some needed fixes.

First impressions are important - if someone is trying to "lure back" (win back) players that haven't played a long time or even uninstalled it a year ago - then it would be a much better time with a fresh polished UI and stuff to make a new better impression. Otherwise I can only imagine a lot of reactions would be like:

"Oh, hmm, same ugly UI, same weird crew and repair mechanic, still no career, not really a lot of car paint jobs (a car with ONE skin?) ... Sandpit 1 Route 1 Reverse is messed up = undrivable... The ragdoll is still broken... ? eehhm, no thanks."

This is not what I would like to have as a new first impression (probably not even bugbear) :) It's just not an ideal time right now.

This. We've been working very hard for the last few months to, for the lack of a better word, to resurrect the game. There's no use to promote the game at this stage when, even if you get people to check out the game again, it's the still basically the same thing they've seen before. You have to consider that many of the "small" features we've been implementing due to feedback we've received from you guys mean absolutely nothing for the general populace since, although those little things might seem important to you and us, they're pretty insignificant for the most of the people who are looking for a wide variety of cars, extensive car customization, a modern UI, a proper career, a host of fun game modes, nice visuals and all those bells and whistles. Of course those are pretty significant features, each of them, and although we can't obviously have all them right away with the resources we have, the new update will have a lot of new stuff in it making the game feel fresh, give a better first impression and of course show that we have a renewed focus for the game.

Although the development time on our game has been pretty long I think it's one of the evils of Early Access. I have many Early Access titles in Steam library that I've had for years, and most of the time when I check them after a half a year or so I'm like "Well, I don't see much new here, I'll check back again in half a year." That's because even with all the improvements that have been done the game itself looks and plays very much the same as it used to. To impress players you would need to have epic changes but of course that's not possible or even the point of Early Access.
Title: Re: Its time to save this game!
Post by: rat@@ on June 07, 2017, 06:36:32 PM
Im preparing to back again.
In terms of the number of regular players, it needs a real-deal career mode - thats a key to a full scale success. A career that will force us to farm currency and awards in as many ways as possible! It should to be almost impossible to archive "endgame", easy at beginning, extreme hard at mid-end stages of carrer. This will provide a bunch of addicted zombies. 3 key words for carrer - competition, revards and... gambling/randomness.
Title: Re: Its time to save this game!
Post by: TheEngiGuy on June 14, 2017, 12:02:40 AM
Here's another storm of negative reviews (now rating is "mostly negative"), just after the latest announcement. Coincidence? I think not.
Many people complain about how the developers barely communicate with the community, but at the same time they are always ready to bash the game as soon as something relevant (and positive) comes up just for the sake of it. The "too little too late" guys, not the constructive reviewers, obviously.

We should all Mann Up once the next build finally releases. I don't want to see this game dropping support because of the masses not understanding the evils of game development and not knowing the difference between 'shady business' and the rest.
Title: Re: Its time to save this game!
Post by: Konan on June 14, 2017, 07:56:23 AM
You can explain game development until you're blue and still there will be some people critisising...fact of life i'm affraid.
On top of that there are the haters who made their minds up and will be impossible to convince otherwise...
Still...it'll be worthwhile for the remaining crowd to draw over the line...
Title: Re: Its time to save this game!
Post by: TheEngiGuy on June 14, 2017, 01:20:17 PM
On top of that there are the haters who made their minds up and will be impossible to convince otherwise...

Yeah, those people want to take this game down whatever happens. The "too little too late" guys. Even though they've paid for this game a while ago and never got their refund, they still wish to see this game fail and let it remain in alpha forever instead of help it cross the finish line. I don't see the logic, I would complain too if the game was officially abandoned, but the money I've paid for is still not wasted for nothing yet since it's still being developed. I'll be very happy once the game will finally release.
Title: Re: Its time to save this game!
Post by: Duffer_josh on June 14, 2017, 02:59:42 PM
I try my best to get people to join and play the game I have had many people ask and I have helped as much as I can my  YouTube channel has grown massively playing this game. I have tried contact bugbear many time to help us with streams giveaway info and much more but I never get a reply unfortunatly. If any one has any ideas please don't hesitate to put them forward!
Title: Re: Its time to save this game!
Post by: Finsku on June 14, 2017, 03:17:36 PM
Here's Wreckfest's reviews from SteamSpy (http://steamspy.com/app/228380) (just for information):

Title: Re: Its time to save this game!
Post by: Tonza on June 14, 2017, 04:20:06 PM
Ya and most negative "review" (let's be real, steam reviews are a complete joke) people seem to not realise that Bugbear is a very small company. Not like e.g EA or Ubisoft which have the capability to push out a new game every year.
Title: Re: Its time to save this game!
Post by: pben1 on June 14, 2017, 05:01:25 PM
Unfortunately some of the negative reviews are justified. BB have let themselves down due poor communication, updates I can forgive its a slow processes in game development. But there has to be a major shift in attitude in PR an marketing the game when it's released,  Like Josh said not getting any replies. Also I know a gaming website content writer who has tried many times to get some kind of Q&A interview, but has now given up on it.

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Title: Re: Its time to save this game!
Post by: Janne Suur-Näkki on June 14, 2017, 07:28:55 PM
Yeah, you can probably tell our marketing department is about the size of a null vector. I know I'm beating an old drum here but like someone mentioned above please consider that we're a small game developer, not someone like EA or other big guys who can hire an entire marketing team for just one new game launch. So yes, up to this point we've done everything ourselves and from developing the game + taking care of other related stuff, running the studio, etc. there just often isn't enough hours in a day.

Josh, now that you mentioned it I remember you wrote me a PM some time ago and it's possible that I forgot to reply - I'll do it tonight.
Title: Re: Its time to save this game!
Post by: pben1 on June 14, 2017, 08:14:26 PM
Janne, As you can see I started my post with "unfortunately",
I know BB is a small team an game development can take years. What I'm saying is that I hope the launch is successful, as you know there's a very short window of attention from the gaming community.

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Title: Re: Its time to save this game!
Post by: St. Jimmy on June 14, 2017, 10:40:15 PM
Many of the reviews say that when full release comes or is close it can likely change to positive. Many give negative review just because they don't like early access or are fed up with that.
Title: Re: Its time to save this game!
Post by: Janne Suur-Näkki on June 15, 2017, 09:20:30 AM
Janne, As you can see I started my post with "unfortunately",
I know BB is a small team an game development can take years. What I'm saying is that I hope the launch is successful, as you know there's a very short window of attention from the gaming community.

I know and it's only true we could have done a better job at marketing, that's for sure. I was mainly trying to offer on explanation on why that is so. Hopefully, when we're getting closer to release we'll have more time to spend on producing trailers and screenshots as well as community engagement. I'm sure having a publisher now will also help tremendously since they will take some pressure of us.
Title: Re: Its time to save this game!
Post by: DD-Indeed on June 15, 2017, 10:13:00 AM
Janne, As you can see I started my post with "unfortunately",
I know BB is a small team an game development can take years. What I'm saying is that I hope the launch is successful, as you know there's a very short window of attention from the gaming community.

I know and it's only true we could have done a better job at marketing, that's for sure. I was mainly trying to offer on explanation on why that is so. Hopefully, when we're getting closer to release we'll have more time to spend on producing trailers and screenshots as well as community engagement. I'm sure having a publisher now will also help tremendously since they will take some pressure of us.


If you could be quick enough, the window for the best release time would be christmas this year. There's no similar car games coming out during that time, only some simulation games (Project Cars 2 at September, Gran Turismo Sport propably before December, Forza 7 on October and new Need For Speed in November), so definitely you have good opportunity to put heavy promotion for the christmas sale and of course, people are eager to have this sort of action packed car game, since it's been a long time they've had a really good one.


Write that down to the design-board on the wall, with BIG letters. :P
Title: Re: Its time to save this game!
Post by: KingOfTheCakes on June 16, 2017, 08:24:09 PM
As someone said before, releasing the game very early on is probably why people are starting to lose interest because it simply was such a long time ago. The only thing that gets me coming back now really are the mods as that has been the most significant addition since the rebuild to me.

What's missing with vanilla game besides a career mode are generated playlists that could add some variety to multiplayer again, like randomizing the tracks, race modes throughout. Whenever I go online there's loads of servers, but only the same few are being used every time, it gets repetitive after a while as these usually use the same tracks. I can't remember the last time I did a TDM or derby online for example!
Title: Re: Its time to save this game!
Post by: Purple44 on June 17, 2017, 12:47:20 AM
As someone said before, releasing the game very early on is probably why people are starting to lose interest because it simply was such a long time ago. The only thing that gets me coming back now really are the mods as that has been the most significant addition since the rebuild to me.

What's missing with vanilla game besides a career mode are generated playlists that could add some variety to multiplayer again, like randomizing the tracks, race modes throughout. Whenever I go online there's loads of servers, but only the same few are being used every time, it gets repetitive after a while as these usually use the same tracks. I can't remember the last time I did a TDM or derby online for example!

Find me on a Saturday night, 7:00pm pacific time to 12-1 in the morning. If I'm an Admin, I try sneak in a couple derbys every so often.

I'm hoping Bugbear will give us a random track, random car mode for online come final release.  :D
Title: Re: Its time to save this game!
Post by: sam223 on June 17, 2017, 02:10:19 AM
Im hoping they replace 'sprint cup' with cup or tournament mode,because 1 lap sprints are pretty pointless on short tracks. Would be much better to be able to change number of laps on this game mode, and hopefully pick more than 1 event/track for it aswell.
Title: Re: Its time to save this game!
Post by: Daystar on June 17, 2017, 03:09:21 AM
Im hoping they replace 'sprint cup' with cup or tournament mode,because 1 lap sprints are pretty pointless on short tracks. Would be much better to be able to change number of laps on this game mode, and hopefully pick more than 1 event/track for it aswell.

Best solution regarding Sprint Sam. I would also like to see Career have some type of Sprint modes in it.                                                                                   _
Title: Re: Its time to save this game!
Post by: TheEngiGuy on June 27, 2017, 06:50:43 PM
Bring it on.
Title: Re: Its time to save this game!
Post by: Finsku on June 29, 2017, 10:34:02 AM

https://steamspy.com/app/228380

Looking good
Title: Re: Its time to save this game!
Post by: TheEngiGuy on June 29, 2017, 01:10:29 PM

[url]https://steamspy.com/app/228380[/url]

Looking good


It's holiday time for Bugbear now, anyway. The cycle repeats with 2 (3 tops) month gap until the next update and another storm of negative reviews :P
Title: Re: Its time to save this game!
Post by: Finsku on July 06, 2017, 05:03:37 PM
Still looking good! :thumb_up:
Title: Re: Its time to save this game!
Post by: Purple44 on July 06, 2017, 05:51:33 PM
Good to see Wreckfest getting more good reviews.  :D

I'm still holding off spamming my friends list to give Wreckfest a second look. I think the new June Build got a few issues to ironed out before I send a message out. Maybe next Build.
Title: Re: Its time to save this game!
Post by: TheEngiGuy on August 28, 2017, 06:44:11 PM
BeamNG: from december to august, 3 updates. "wow nice game best early access ever"

Wreckfest: from december to august, 4 updates. "WHAT A SCAM, SHADY BUSINESS, NEGATIVE REVIEW HURR"
Title: Re: Its time to save this game!
Post by: Tonza on August 28, 2017, 11:22:18 PM
BeamNG: from december to august, 3 updates. "wow nice game best early access ever"

Wreckfest: from december to august, 4 updates. "WHAT A SCAM, SHADY BUSINESS, NEGATIVE REVIEW HURR"
Ya that is quite annoying.just like wreckfest, I like beam alot and fully respect the devs, and most people know that they're a small team. But people seem to think that Bugbear is a big company for some reason (maybe because of they been around for a long time?)
Title: Re: Its time to save this game!
Post by: TheEngiGuy on August 29, 2017, 02:54:10 PM
BeamNG: from december to august, 3 updates. "wow nice game best early access ever"

Wreckfest: from december to august, 4 updates. "WHAT A SCAM, SHADY BUSINESS, NEGATIVE REVIEW HURR"
Ya that is quite annoying.just like wreckfest, I like beam alot and fully respect the devs, and most people know that they're a small team. But people seem to think that Bugbear is a big company for some reason (maybe because of they been around for a long time?)

Space Engineers released in oct. 2013 in Early Access: "it's ok"

Wreckfest released in dec. 2013 in Early Access: "HURR EARLY ACCESS SCAM THERE SHOULD BE A TIME-LIMIT NEGATIVE REVIEW HURR"
Title: Re: Its time to save this game!
Post by: CrashsTestsFr on August 29, 2017, 05:01:43 PM
Wreckfest : full release late 2014. That's why people are "angry".
Space Engineers : full release ever announced ? (real question)
BeamNG : full release ever announced ? (real question)
The 90's arcade racer* : full release late 2014. But fewer news than Wreckfest. People are mad.
Road Redemption : full release late 2014. But fewer news than Wreckfest. People are mad, too.

PS : I own the 5 of them.
* : now renamed "90's Super GP" and edited by Nicalis. Still no news, and this change has been announced nearly a year ago.
Title: Re: Its time to save this game!
Post by: TheEngiGuy on August 29, 2017, 05:54:25 PM
Wreckfest : full release late 2014. That's why people are "angry".
Space Engineers : full release ever announced ? (real question)
BeamNG : full release ever announced ? (real question)
The 90's arcade racer* : full release late 2014. But fewer news than Wreckfest. People are mad.
Road Redemption : full release late 2014. But fewer news than Wreckfest. People are mad, too.

PS : I own the 5 of them.
* : now renamed "90's Super GP" and edited by Nicalis. Still no news, and this change has been announced nearly a year ago.

From BeamNG:
"Approximately how long will this game be in Early Access?
“It is difficult to give an exact number, but probably at least 12 months before we could call the game "beta" (feature-complete)"
over 2 years later, doesn't seem like a beta yet. People aren't whining.

Road Redemption's devs have been hit by a hurricane, that explains the delay. Still, reviews are very positive.
Wreckfest has been delayed because of the new engine. Unlike Road Redemption situation, it was the dev's choice, but still valid right?

Let's see Wreckfest at its current state now. Many tracks, 15-20 cars confirmed and career, new publisher revealed, E3 and Gamescom involvement, active dev's twitter profile, a new definitive release date set in stone (so that's the next step to consider) with all those features.
Oh yeah, they did say "monthly updates" but is that the reason to encourage everyone to review it negatively despite the other news? Even if the update frequency has been similar to BeamNG's? Even if you consider development time, they both started at around the same time and Wreckfest is gonna be finished before BeamNG (and before Space Engineers, and maybe even before The Forest)

Someone should explain this to me because I'm probably missing something.
Title: Re: Its time to save this game!
Post by: DD-Indeed on August 29, 2017, 10:45:32 PM
Hmm, I might wanna inject a word over here.

We gotta remember the sort of audience, that the game draws in and is aimed for. Obviosly, the first glimpse of this game was that sandbox many years ago, which exploded amongs the players and people began desperately wait for the game. Next step was to introduce the main game itself, which lacked the sandbox mode alltogether. This propably was one of the things that started to split the audience a bit, they expected to get that sandbox alongside other new stuff and proper racing as well. However, the main game itself draw in new people, who were interested in racing. Things progressed nicely for a year and it was looking like they would get to the goal with the game, albeit it being ''only'' with that older engine, which I think would have been okay for its time. The sheer frustration upon hearing the news about complete engine haul and the delay it would cause obviosly didn't please the fans and the game's popularity plummeted in the summer of 2015. The whole thing what happened in there is very complex afterall, now that we look it as a sort of ''retrospective'' view.

First of all, the engine changed the handling and physics completely. Single biggest reason to player decline. I understand, that when being a Early Access-project, things might change dramatically during the development process and usually will change too. But some people are not capable of accepting or getting used to something new, something that feels odd or bad to them. One of the things I wondered was that were they not capable of tweaking the ''new'' game to feel like the previous versions ? That's one of the questions I've always wondered. That alone would have saved a lot of people getting frustrated about the delay or about the overall feeling of the game. Things like these are like a poison to any game in EA. It's very hard for the devs to publish something to the EA-program, that would stay close to the original design in the end. Especially since we are talking about car game, that is all about driving physics, which are very sensitive for changes. You felt it immediately, when devs had tweaked the settings and everytime fans split the opinions, unless you got used to them. Some of the tweaks were easy to learn, some of them weren't.

During that time, it was pretty clear to many of us, that the dev team was limited in fundings and personnel, which of course reflected to the update cycle as well. That of course backfires a bit in fanbase, which realizes it as well and decide to venture into other stuff, not having enough faith in the project. To me, devs could have taken the safe route and release the game with the old engine and focus the new engine building for another game instead. But these are just hindsight thoughts, which may not be the way the devs planned afterall. I remember them saying, that they were not satisfied with the quality of the game and was the excuse to head for the engine overhaul.

Second thoughts, comparing games to other games is sometimes not necessary, as they are individual projects and aiming for different things. Someone already mentioned BeamNG.Drive, which I have been playing a lot on recent years. Wreckfest and BeamNG do not compare or even complete with each others. To put it in simple way: Wreckfest is the plug'n'play-type of game, the fun and fast one, just jump in and bash everything that moves, get your hands dirty with those rustbuckets in the garage. BeamNG represents completely different thing. It's sterile, real life physic simulator, aimed for enthustiasts and takes many many years of development till reaching the goal. Wreckfest will be out this year, BeamNG will be out in about 2-3 years maybe. Both projects have started actually in a pretty much same time, so in that manner, Wreckfest has been done in a reasonable time afterall, especially when concidering the small team of it (to my knowledge, under 20-30 personnel) and a lot less fundings available. THQ Nordic's invervention was brought in just in the right time to boost up the project.


I too hope, that the final release will boost up the sales more and establish a healthy fanbase and online community, in which all players can have fun and the game would offer great races and events. BB and THQ hopefully push for great marketing campaing, as there is a lot of other car games coming out this year, that they need to complete with, so a good trailer is the key thing to gain momentum right now. :)
Title: Re: Its time to save this game!
Post by: CrashsTestsFr on August 29, 2017, 11:21:53 PM
First, I apology, I should have mentionned my post wasn't "rocket science", since it's based on my feelings while browsing those games' forums, and not on facts like Steam Reviews.
My bad.

BeamNG :
Yep, that's a (very) long early-access too. But every time, they come with something new or enhanced.
As far as I remember, the only thing they "removed" was a map they were "reworking".
My thoughts on the game might be biaised, since that I've bought it because I thought it was a "really nice sandbox car crash simulator". I wasn't aware (or even interested ?) in campaigns / scenarios.
Those aren't there yet, but as I wasn't expecting them, I can wait.

Road Redemption :
The game has been playable and almost complete since the beginning (The campaign, XP system and even split-screen multiplayer were there in 2014).
People were mad because of the lack of communication. Release date was due to October 2016, but as you mentionned, they were hit by hurricane.
So now, good reviews, people complaining on Steam forums.

Space Engineers :
I'm not sure they will hit version 1.0 after Wreckfest release. But what I know, it's that there is a developer diary EVERY WEEK. Even if it's just "Hi, nothing existing, just bug fixing and textures been reworked, bye.", it give the impression they are going forward. There were people really mad when they dropped 32 bits support, but the general feeling is good.

Wreckfest :
"FlatOut spiritual successor out in 12 months, we'll be independant, and here are the features we would like to implement".
I agree, people might have read "features we will implement".
As I'm a software developper, I know it's easy to plan a lot and to estimate too much few time to do it correctly.
Which is totally what happened here.
It started on a good base, the game had working physics and enough content to make us wait.
They decided to upgrade their engine, for a better future. I was (and still am) 100% with this decision.
But then they reworked the physics, multiple times.
They started to give us new unfinished tracks for content, but not new features (it's not true nowadays).
It felt like the game base was being reworked again and again and again, not necesseraly for a better result (in the eyes of the players - see people complainig about physics).
Add the total mess when they announced and released Stuntfest, which is (at the moment) dead.
On top of that, add the fact the devs said they will be more communicative multiple times and haven't done really better each times.

So, after 4 years, what we have had :
1) not much communication
2) the impression that the "core" of the game is not yet ready
3) A lot of unfinished tracks (because of point 2)
4) Not a lot of cars (since they rely on physics to develop them, that's normal -  because of point 2)
5) No career mode (because of point 2)
6) No "real" customisation mode (basics are here, but real lack of content and balance - because of point 2)
7) Bugbear being no more independent (it was a really important point when I gave them 70€)

The point 2 is, in my mind, what hurts the game. A lot of people can't understand that after 4 years an "available" game (even if in early access) it feels so unfinished, not relying on a solid base.
Title: Re: Its time to save this game!
Post by: Jallu0312 on September 11, 2017, 09:43:32 PM
Well, I have never been as hyped for a game as I was in 2014. Then the hype came back last year. Now I am just dissappointed with bugbear, who are just talking shit, and doing nothing they promise. probably the game will get its next track a few months from here and the full release will be surely in 2050:s.

BUT SERIOUSLY I havent even heard about the beta. When will it come out (if it ever comes)?
Title: Re: Its time to save this game!
Post by: Cody_Hanavan on September 14, 2017, 12:46:23 AM
When I upload new wreckfest content to youtube and tweet about it I try to throw tags in there for bugbear and they've re-tweeted me a few times... they know we are here and we still play, unfortunately they've just lagged behind on their updates.  I hoped when THQ got involved things would change but its bee a bit since their last update and if I remember correctly they were going to shoot for monthly updates on the game.  Hopefully they have something big in the works but I am not so sure.  The UI update was nice but they need more.  Here's to hoping they can turn this thing around....

On another note... they seriously need to get in contact with or help out our modders.  Some of those guys are what keeps the game alive and they've been left in the dark on how to work with the new way things work with guts of the game.