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Title: 4x4 cars and long suspension travel off road cars?
Post by: 21trial21 on October 22, 2014, 02:16:16 AM
I would love to see some cars in wreckfest that can cope with bumps and jumps better, maybe have them use lower powered engines but because of their handling you would be able to use that power better on rough parts of the track.
4 wheel drive cars would also be really fun as usually when you start drifting slightly in a corner its hard to get out of it with decent speed. Four wheel drive cars would be able to pull out of the corner without having to let off the throttle so much.
what do you guys think? :D ;)
Title: Re: 4x4 cars and long suspension travel off road cars?
Post by: 21trial21 on October 22, 2014, 02:31:25 AM
sort of like this http://www.milneroffroadracing.co.uk/images/Race%20Cars%20For%20Sale/milner%20r5%20gulf%20racing%20colours%20for%20sale2.jpg (http://www.milneroffroadracing.co.uk/images/Race%20Cars%20For%20Sale/milner%20r5%20gulf%20racing%20colours%20for%20sale2.jpg)

Title: Re: 4x4 cars and long suspension travel off road cars?
Post by: Lari Fari on October 22, 2014, 09:59:32 AM
I was actually hoping for 4WD and FWD cars to be implemented. Just to have more variety. And wha not add a 4th even higher suspension? ;)

But 4WD cars might be overpowered for the reasons you described. Just artificially making them slower by giving them slower engines wouldn't do it for me.

The total number of tracks and cars doesn't leave room for offroad races with offroad cars competing in their own class. But I think the physics of the game would be awesome for offroad racing, so I do hope there will a DLC or mod for it :)
Title: Re: 4x4 cars and long suspension travel off road cars?
Post by: dbs213 on October 22, 2014, 12:33:39 PM
IMO, I don't need 4WD cars for vanilla content. I guess a mod would suit it more.
Title: Re: 4x4 cars and long suspension travel off road cars?
Post by: 21trial21 on October 22, 2014, 11:46:47 PM
I was actually hoping for 4WD and FWD cars to be implemented. Just to have more variety. And wha not add a 4th even higher suspension? ;)

But 4WD cars might be overpowered for the reasons you described. Just artificially making them slower by giving them slower engines wouldn't do it for me.

I have to agree that just making them use smaller engines would be a bit of a cheap shot, but I didn't know what else to put haha. I suppose that proves they might be a bit unbalanced :(.
i still would like a car that didn't go crazy after hitting a small bum though :D 
Title: Re: 4x4 cars and long suspension travel off road cars?
Post by: buddy8848 on October 30, 2014, 04:08:18 AM
I want the miniature suv really cars to be added. Like I drive a Ford bronco 2, and it would make a great fit into this game.
Title: Re: 4x4 cars and long suspension travel off road cars?
Post by: LUNITIC_WILL on October 30, 2014, 05:39:30 AM
if i can get a bronco lookalike and/or a truck, i'll be happy
Title: Re: 4x4 cars and long suspension travel off road cars?
Post by: Azhurel on December 14, 2014, 06:06:50 AM
One Blazer,Bronco or Pickup 4x4 wouldn't be bad. Plus, the Bronco(Blaster 4x4) wasn't that overpowered, was it?


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Title: Re: 4x4 cars and long suspension travel off road cars?
Post by: LUNITIC_WILL on December 14, 2014, 06:43:43 AM
One Blazer,Bronco or Pickup 4x4 wouldn't be bad. Plus, the Bronco(Blaster 4x4) wasn't that overpowered, was it?


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when i came to shoving things outta the way, it was OP but as for racing, you had to try to finish first
Title: Re: 4x4 cars and long suspension travel off road cars?
Post by: Azhurel on December 14, 2014, 06:48:49 AM
One Blazer,Bronco or Pickup 4x4 wouldn't be bad. Plus, the Bronco(Blaster 4x4) wasn't that overpowered, was it?


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when i came to shoving things outta the way, it was OP but as for racing, you had to try to finish first
Even in derbies, the trucks and SUVs were not that hard to kill.
Title: Re: 4x4 cars and long suspension travel off road cars?
Post by: Mopower on December 14, 2014, 04:46:37 PM
One Blazer,Bronco or Pickup 4x4 wouldn't be bad. Plus, the Bronco(Blaster 4x4) wasn't that overpowered, was it?


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when i came to shoving things outta the way, it was OP but as for racing, you had to try to finish first
Even in derbies, the trucks and SUVs were not that hard to kill.
In derbies with no nitro, the trucks were very hard to kill due to 4wd
Title: Re: 4x4 cars and long suspension travel off road cars?
Post by: Azhurel on December 14, 2014, 06:05:38 PM
One Blazer,Bronco or Pickup 4x4 wouldn't be bad. Plus, the Bronco(Blaster 4x4) wasn't that overpowered, was it?


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when i came to shoving things outta the way, it was OP but as for racing, you had to try to finish first
Even in derbies, the trucks and SUVs were not that hard to kill.
In derbies with no nitro, the trucks were very hard to kill due to 4wd
Maybe  it's different in FlatOut UC. Because with the car Malice, I'd wreck the truck and SUV with ease.
Title: Re: 4x4 cars and long suspension travel off road cars?
Post by: Azhurel on December 14, 2014, 06:07:32 PM
But if they are overpowered then maybe they could have their own class so you would only race against Trucks, SUVs and Vans. So you wouldn't have to worry about them in a derby.
Title: Re: 4x4 cars and long suspension travel off road cars?
Post by: Frisker on December 15, 2014, 03:19:50 AM
I'd love 4WD cars. Only that they might be bit overpowered since they have more control, but why not make the possibility to restrict the usage. Similar to "American Cars only", you could tick a box with "no 4WD cars allowed".

But FWD cars are a must.
Title: Re: 4x4 cars and long suspension travel off road cars?
Post by: Azhurel on December 15, 2014, 03:30:24 AM
I'd love 4WD cars. Only that they might be bit overpowered since they have more control, but why not make the possibility to restrict the usage. Similar to "American Cars only", you could tick a box with "no 4WD cars allowed".

But FWD cars are a must.
Maybe you can chose to separate cars from Trucks SUVs and Vans, so everything is balanced.
Title: Re: 4x4 cars and long suspension travel off road cars?
Post by: Mopower on December 15, 2014, 07:20:40 AM
I'd love 4WD cars. Only that they might be bit overpowered since they have more control, but why not make the possibility to restrict the usage. Similar to "American Cars only", you could tick a box with "no 4WD cars allowed".

But FWD cars are a must.
Maybe you can chose to separate cars from Trucks SUVs and Vans, so everything is balanced.
Nope, if it's going to be a truck or suv, it needs it's own class and it needs to be rwd. You won't see ANY derby allowing 4wd.
Title: Re: 4x4 cars and long suspension travel off road cars?
Post by: Azhurel on December 15, 2014, 07:24:20 AM
I'd love 4WD cars. Only that they might be bit overpowered since they have more control, but why not make the possibility to restrict the usage. Similar to "American Cars only", you could tick a box with "no 4WD cars allowed".

But FWD cars are a must.
Maybe you can chose to separate cars from Trucks SUVs and Vans, so everything is balanced.
Nope, if it's going to be a truck or suv, it needs it's own class and it needs to be rwd. You won't see ANY derby allowing 4wd.
The more options the better, because I'd like to race trucks and cars, and you wouldn't. With options, everyone can be happy!
Title: Re: 4x4 cars and long suspension travel off road cars?
Post by: noID3A on December 15, 2014, 12:58:08 PM
At the technical point of view 4WD isn't that OP eventually. Because added weight due extra diferential or two and other parts it needs, and 4WD is very power hungry system with almoust double of moving  parts to cause resist to the engine.

And what comes to SUV's, thosa are high weight vehicles with high central gravity.
Also would like to see posibility to change cars drive config so you can make 4WD American muscle etc.
With different kind of differentials and systems to choose like; 50/50, torsen and so on.
Title: Re: 4x4 cars and long suspension travel off road cars?
Post by: Mopower on December 15, 2014, 10:30:22 PM
At the technical point of view 4WD isn't that OP eventually. Because added weight due extra diferential or two and other parts it needs, and 4WD is very power hungry system with almoust double of moving  parts to cause resist to the engine.

And what comes to SUV's, thosa are high weight vehicles with high central gravity.
Also would like to see posibility to change cars drive config so you can make 4WD American muscle etc.
With different kind of differentials and systems to choose like; 50/50, torsen and so on.
Have you ever been to a derby in real life? 4wd cars would have a gigantic advantage. Mainly with traction. I'm kinda sick with telling people that cars shouldn't run with trucks. Seems you just don't care about realism
Title: Re: 4x4 cars and long suspension travel off road cars?
Post by: Azhurel on December 15, 2014, 11:28:33 PM
At the technical point of view 4WD isn't that OP eventually. Because added weight due extra diferential or two and other parts it needs, and 4WD is very power hungry system with almoust double of moving  parts to cause resist to the engine.

And what comes to SUV's, thosa are high weight vehicles with high central gravity.
Also would like to see posibility to change cars drive config so you can make 4WD American muscle etc.
With different kind of differentials and systems to choose like; 50/50, torsen and so on.
Have you ever been to a derby in real life? 4wd cars would have a gigantic advantage. Mainly with traction. I'm kinda sick with telling people that cars shouldn't run with trucks. Seems you just don't care about realism
I think you should be able to pick what you want to race or derby against. So if people do or don't want to race against 4wd drive vehicles then the don't have to.
Title: Re: 4x4 cars and long suspension travel off road cars?
Post by: noID3A on December 15, 2014, 11:41:42 PM
At the technical point of view 4WD isn't that OP eventually. Because added weight due extra diferential or two and other parts it needs, and 4WD is very power hungry system with almoust double of moving  parts to cause resist to the engine.

And what comes to SUV's, thosa are high weight vehicles with high central gravity.
Also would like to see posibility to change cars drive config so you can make 4WD American muscle etc.
With different kind of differentials and systems to choose like; 50/50, torsen and so on.
Have you ever been to a derby in real life? 4wd cars would have a gigantic advantage. Mainly with traction. I'm kinda sick with telling people that cars shouldn't run with trucks. Seems you just don't care about realism

No, I haven't been in derby IRL. But I'm here at the point of view of circuit racing. Where same power and weight RWD is better than 4WD at tarmac and probably even mixed tracks, due 4WDs massive understeer. But yeah of course on loose surface and short accelerations 4WD is better due extra grip. I think 4WDs are more vulnerable at derbies because of more moving parts to broke and system spreading every corner of the car? But dunno haven't been there. And actually I care about realism but just looking it from different angle. I just wanna see 4WDs in the game and want it done well with good balance with pros and cons.
Title: Re: 4x4 cars and long suspension travel off road cars?
Post by: BrianUK on December 16, 2014, 12:11:24 AM
I'm against 4x4s, be it on a car or a jeep. I think everything will be fine with FWD and RWD, why have obviously OP on dirt 4x4's?
Title: Re: 4x4 cars and long suspension travel off road cars?
Post by: Azhurel on December 16, 2014, 12:44:02 AM
I'm against 4x4s, be it on a car or a jeep. I think everything will be fine with FWD and RWD, why have obviously OP on dirt 4x4's?
Variety
Title: Re: 4x4 cars and long suspension travel off road cars?
Post by: Mopower on December 16, 2014, 12:48:17 AM
I'm against 4x4s, be it on a car or a jeep. I think everything will be fine with FWD and RWD, why have obviously OP on dirt 4x4's?
Variety
Variety will be given with all the parts you can add to your vehicle.
Title: Re: 4x4 cars and long suspension travel off road cars?
Post by: sam223 on December 16, 2014, 01:57:51 AM
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dj5snP3FrTg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dj5snP3FrTg#ws)

You cant race 4x4's/SUV's at normal banger meetings due to ride height and limited to RWD (unlimiteds) FWD/RWD (nationals)
Im with brian though.Id rather see 20 car/pickups/hearse/limos/coupe/saloons/estate/ambulances/flower cars/small vans that can all compete.No separate specialist classes as vanilla. Save the Big vans/4x4's/buses/coaches/3 wheelers/trucks for dlc/mod support.
Title: Re: 4x4 cars and long suspension travel off road cars?
Post by: Azhurel on December 16, 2014, 02:04:32 AM
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dj5snP3FrTg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dj5snP3FrTg#ws)

You cant race 4x4's/SUV's at normal banger meetings due to ride height and limited to RWD (unlimiteds) FWD/RWD (nationals)
Maybe not 4x4's but 4wd cars would be perfect.
Title: Re: 4x4 cars and long suspension travel off road cars?
Post by: sam223 on December 16, 2014, 02:18:51 AM
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dj5snP3FrTg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dj5snP3FrTg#ws)

You cant race 4x4's/SUV's at normal banger meetings due to ride height and limited to RWD (unlimiteds) FWD/RWD (nationals)
Maybe not 4x4's but 4wd cars would be perfect.
You cant race 4WD either.Only on their own at once/twice a year meetings. You have a traction advantage and harder to kill off,as seen in the video where back wheels off the floor but front wheels still driving. Same reason they dont allow FWD in unlimited bangers,otherwise people would be racing strong modern crap i.e ford mondeos in all classes.Rather than the more exotic luxury saloons/estates/variants that people want to see raced.
Title: Re: 4x4 cars and long suspension travel off road cars?
Post by: Azhurel on December 16, 2014, 02:26:07 AM
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dj5snP3FrTg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dj5snP3FrTg#ws)

You cant race 4x4's/SUV's at normal banger meetings due to ride height and limited to RWD (unlimiteds) FWD/RWD (nationals)
Maybe not 4x4's but 4wd cars would be perfect.
You cant race 4WD either.Only on their own at once/twice a year meetings. You have a traction advantage and harder to kill off,as seen in the video where back wheels off the floor but front wheels still driving. Same reason they dont allow FWD in unlimited bangers,otherwise people would be racing strong modern crap i.e ford mondeos in all classes.Rather than the more exotic luxury saloons/estates/variants that people want to see raced.
We'll you can't have a Muscle car and a Fiat in a demoliton debt either.
Title: Re: 4x4 cars and long suspension travel off road cars?
Post by: sam223 on December 16, 2014, 02:31:48 AM
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dj5snP3FrTg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dj5snP3FrTg#ws)

You cant race 4x4's/SUV's at normal banger meetings due to ride height and limited to RWD (unlimiteds) FWD/RWD (nationals)
Maybe not 4x4's but 4wd cars would be perfect.
You cant race 4WD either.Only on their own at once/twice a year meetings. You have a traction advantage and harder to kill off,as seen in the video where back wheels off the floor but front wheels still driving. Same reason they dont allow FWD in unlimited bangers,otherwise people would be racing strong modern crap i.e ford mondeos in all classes.Rather than the more exotic luxury saloons/estates/variants that people want to see raced.
We'll you can't have a Muscle car and a Fiat in a demoliton debt either.

True,but they are both RWD cars. So you could race them together if you were brave enough. Equally matched racing wise,although the fiat is realistically far to strong in game. Whereas 4WD/High ride height truck vs 2WD car is not evenly balanced in racing or crashing.
Title: Re: 4x4 cars and long suspension travel off road cars?
Post by: Mopower on December 16, 2014, 02:43:05 AM
Again, I've seen a3rd gen camaro and a Volvo together in a derby. I've seen plenty of over built compact cars run with fullsize because they were welded too heavy for the compact class.
Title: Re: 4x4 cars and long suspension travel off road cars?
Post by: Azhurel on December 16, 2014, 02:49:55 AM
Again, I've seen a3rd gen camaro and a Volvo together in a derby. I've seen plenty of over built compact cars run with fullsize because they were welded too heavy for the compact class.
3rd gen Camaros are small by muscle car standards. The muscle cars in this game are hulking beasts!
Title: Re: 4x4 cars and long suspension travel off road cars?
Post by: Mopower on December 16, 2014, 03:00:59 AM
Again, I've seen a3rd gen camaro and a Volvo together in a derby. I've seen plenty of over built compact cars run with fullsize because they were welded too heavy for the compact class.
3rd gen Camaros are small by muscle car standards. The muscle cars in this game are hulking beasts!
I know, and like I said, I've seen plenty of compacts that ran illegal in their own class go to compete against the full size. But even at that point they're underbuilt due to being at that initial disadvantage in strength.