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Title: Concerning windows 10... will you upgrade to it?
Post by: Daystar on June 27, 2015, 04:14:55 AM
Will you update to the new Windows 10 OS? my answer is NO.
for a few valid reasons... My Windows 7 64bit pro is very stable! maybe 1 time I had a BSOD Blue screen of death (and had to re-boot) also It is very easy to use and navigate through all the menus.
and last but not least... I love it! so used to it!

Also on a side note.... I fear that it will be bloated with all kinds of stuff that I would not need, and never use!
and of course the security issues... right now with my win 7, my Avast virus scanner, 2 firewalls, and Malware scanner I am very safe and comfortable really. but! with the new Hyped windows 10 os... I believe their may be some security holes that can be exploited in it's early stages. also it costs money Windows 10. yes they say free, but after like a year than you pay! I stick to Windows 7 which is proven solid thank you!

click here for more info on the new HyPeD Windows 10 os platform...  -----> http://www.techradar.com/us/news/software/operating-systems/windows-10-release-date-price-news-and-features-1029245 <-----

I stick to what's proven EXCELLENT.
Title: Re: Concerning windows 10... will you upgrade to it?
Post by: Usmovers_02 on June 27, 2015, 04:17:26 AM
I absolutely am for a variety of reasons. 1) For me it's free. 2) DX12. 3) Xbox/PC cross platform gaming.
Title: Re: Concerning windows 10... will you upgrade to it?
Post by: ville672 on June 27, 2015, 04:40:54 AM
I'm upgrading right away if it doesn't remove any software like upgrading from windows 8 to the preview version does.
Title: Re: Concerning windows 10... will you upgrade to it?
Post by: Daystar on June 27, 2015, 04:58:05 AM
I'm upgrading right away if it doesn't remove any software like upgrading from windows 8 to the preview version does.

Well I must stress... and quoted from the website I posted...

"Finally, Microsoft detailed what will happen for those that installed the Windows 10 Technical Preview directly on top of Windows 7 or 8.1: not too much. Basically, if this is how you installed the preview, just keep receiving the updates as normal and, come July 29, you'll have the same version of Windows 10 as everyone else – but there's a catch.

Regardless of whether the "final" version of Windows 10 is available, Insiders must continue to receive preview updates – which will not stop after July 29 – for their copy of Windows to remain genuine. If you want to opt out of the preview, you'll likely have to restore back to your previous version of Windows 7 or 8.1 and perform a clean Windows 10 install from there."

That is a bit sketchy for me :-(
Title: Re: Concerning windows 10... will you upgrade to it?
Post by: Purple44 on June 27, 2015, 05:38:13 AM
I want my eye candy, so I will take my free version of Windows and Directx12. But I'm in no hurry. Would prefer to see first service pack for Win 10 come out before I do the upgrade.

 Doubt Directx12 will be a common thing in most PC games until at least late 2016-2017.
Title: Re: Concerning windows 10... will you upgrade to it?
Post by: Daystar on June 27, 2015, 05:52:22 AM
Yep I tend to agree with you now... I would also like to benefit with the new features... but because I am so strapped with money issues... I am not certain how well off I will be in one year. and shiz I still need a much better graphics card than what I have now... but I am starting to get tempted as well to update. I am just so uncertain at this point.... perhaps I wait another year to upgrade. seriously, I feel quite good with my Win 7 pro 64bit.... suits me rather well at the moment.
Title: Re: Concerning windows 10... will you upgrade to it?
Post by: WorldofBay on June 27, 2015, 02:11:08 PM
and of course the security issues... right now with my win 7, my Avast virus scanner, 2 firewalls, and Malware scanner I am very safe and comfortable really. but! with the new Hyped windows 10 os... I believe their may be some security holes that can be exploited in it's early stages.

yeah i said that, too. got one disagree though so maybe we'll see another side of this point in a while:

B) speaking of support you are biding your time and playing with fire. MS will (at some point in time) stop supporting Win 7 with security updates thus being a more vulnerable against attacks.

heh. you know that win7 has got a bunch of security updates, win 10 hasn't? so win10 is more vulnerable. there will be a break-even point where win10 got enough security updates to fix the millions of bugs microsoft always puts in their OS, but noone knows when it will be. until then win7 is safer than win10.

also the people that aren't aware of security issues normally upgrade their OS right away so it's more profitable to search security holes in win10 than in win7 making it even more vulnerable just because it doesn't cost anything and so anybody can upgrade it without pay threshold in mind.
Title: Re: Concerning windows 10... will you upgrade to it?
Post by: KazzyMac on July 04, 2015, 08:49:38 PM
I can't update because Corsair Link doesn't work on Windows 10 yet.


..... So it won't be until Corsair fix their dang drivers that I upgrade. Oh, and Broadcomm updates some drivers too. My wifi card won't work either >_>
Title: Re: Concerning windows 10... will you upgrade to it?
Post by: Purple44 on July 04, 2015, 09:29:09 PM
I can't update because Corsair Link doesn't work on Windows 10 yet.


..... So it won't be until Corsair fix their dang drivers that I upgrade. Oh, and Broadcomm updates some drivers too. My wifi card won't work either >_>

Ya that always a problem moving to a new Windows, does your hardware have new drivers that work in the new Windows or will the old drivers still work.
Title: Re: Concerning windows 10... will you upgrade to it?
Post by: LUNITIC_WILL on July 04, 2015, 10:07:12 PM
i am waiting to see if my steam library will still be playable of if most of it will just not work at all
Title: Re: Concerning windows 10... will you upgrade to it?
Post by: findRED on July 05, 2015, 08:39:03 AM
I have some older games that don't work with anything newer than 7 (and sometimes that's a pain), so NO.
I may run a virtual win10 machine on my beast desktop I recently upgraded (my sig details are out of date), just to see how it is though.
Title: Re: Concerning windows 10... will you upgrade to it?
Post by: Frisker on July 05, 2015, 12:52:37 PM
I'm just gonna download it when it's available, I should get it for free, atleast that's what my Win7 told me month or two ago and I save it on a usb drive or something. I'll see if i can have them both installed on my PC, like I used to have XP and 7. It's useful on some applications and some bit older games. I don't trust that I can play them all on Win 10...
Title: Re: Concerning windows 10... will you upgrade to it?
Post by: WorldofBay on August 06, 2015, 02:43:06 PM
i won't upgrade my win7 to win10

why?
all the features i hate in win7 still are in win10 but the feature i want to have are either not in win10 or already in win7. so i get nothing from upgrading. and considering the bullshit microsoft included in win10 i'm pretty sure my win7 is worth a lot more than win10 so i won't devalue it with a so-called 'upgrade'.

first of all i hate the modern design they implemented in win8 and continue in win10. yeah i know it's possible to install some workaround programms that recreate the win7 layout. but what's the point in going to a new system and making it behave like the old one?

then the most stupid part of win10 is the update section. the fact that you can't disable any updates (and i'm NOT talking about security updates!) can always fuck up your work. i don't want to need to cut my internet connection to not have to install a unstable new function just because microsoft thinks it's ready for customer testing.

the last major thing is cortana and the cloud. i don't want that, i just want a operating system that allows me to access data on my computer easily and is compatible to my games, nothing more. no virtual assistant, no cloud computing, no fancy stuff, just the basic thing. this can't be that difficult!
Title: Re: Concerning windows 10... will you upgrade to it?
Post by: BrianUK on August 06, 2015, 03:31:07 PM
Windows 7 4 lyf
Title: Re: Concerning windows 10... will you upgrade to it?
Post by: Mazay on August 06, 2015, 04:10:22 PM
I was considering update since it's free, but new features like advertising id to track you made me concerned about privacy.
I'll stick in windows 8.1.
Title: Re: Concerning windows 10... will you upgrade to it?
Post by: Purple44 on August 06, 2015, 04:16:37 PM

then the most stupid part of win10 is the update section. the fact that you can't disable any updates (and i'm NOT talking about security updates!) can always fuck up your work. i don't want to need to cut my internet connection to not have to install a unstable new function just because microsoft thinks it's ready for customer testing.

I'm in know hurry to upgrade my Win 7 to Win 10 and if I can't turn off the automatic updating of Windows 10, then I will have to find a work around to fix this. I don't let my Windows update itself automatically, I wait for a service pack to be release. That was my plan for Win 10, wait until the first service pack to get release before doing the upgrade next year.

We already got a report that Flatout 1 may not start under Win 10 in the forum. I will be looking into if I can dual boot the Win 10 upgrade and Win 7. Anybody that has done the Win 10 upgrade from Win 7 or Win 8, have you seen an option to keep you Win 7 or Win 8 or will Win 10 delete the older Windows when it get done installing?
Title: Re: Concerning windows 10... will you upgrade to it?
Post by: WorldofBay on August 06, 2015, 04:46:29 PM

then the most stupid part of win10 is the update section. the fact that you can't disable any updates (and i'm NOT talking about security updates!) can always fuck up your work. i don't want to need to cut my internet connection to not have to install a unstable new function just because microsoft thinks it's ready for customer testing.

I'm in know hurry to upgrade my Win 7 to Win 10 and if I can't turn off the automatic updating of Windows 10, then I will have to find a work around to fix this. I don't let my Windows update itself automatically, I wait for a service pack to be release. That was my plan for Win 10, wait until the first service pack to get release before doing the upgrade next year.

We already got a report that Flatout 1 may not start under Win 10 in the forum. I will be looking into if I can dual boot the Win 10 upgrade and Win 7. Anybody that has done the Win 10 upgrade from Win 7 or Win 8, have you seen an option to keep you Win 7 or Win 8 or will Win 10 delete the older Windows when it get done installing?

in home version you can't stop the updates except by having no internet connectivity. maybe someone can release a firewall that blocks the OS but i doubt this is possible as the OS lies below this firewall and can simply restrict the firewall to not watch OS actions by simply not providing information about them to user programs.

as far as i know you can have same license win7/8.1 and win10 parallel on one computer. however the license you bought gets updated. so you can't register your win7/8.1 any more on other systems even if it was possible before. you can register win10 instead. it is not limited to one device if your old license was not limited to one device.

with different licenses parallel is always possible. you can always restrict one OS to a certain space of your drve and provide the rest to some other OS.
Title: Re: Concerning windows 10... will you upgrade to it?
Post by: Daystar on August 06, 2015, 05:11:52 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvQ_imnxRWA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvQ_imnxRWA)

Windows 7 64bit pro 4life! I'm on board with you there Brian!
Title: Re: Concerning windows 10... will you upgrade to it?
Post by: WorldofBay on August 06, 2015, 06:44:42 PM
I was considering update since it's free, but new features like advertising id to track you made me concerned about privacy.
I'll stick in windows 8.1.

no it's not free!

it's just that you already paid for it. you paid a license for win7/8.1 and now turn it into a win10 license. it's not free.
Title: Re: Concerning windows 10... will you upgrade to it?
Post by: Purple44 on August 06, 2015, 08:28:00 PM
I was considering update since it's free, but new features like advertising id to track you made me concerned about privacy.
I'll stick in windows 8.1.

no it's not free!

it's just that you already paid for it. you paid a license for win7/8.1 and now turn it into a win10 license. it's not free.

It free in that you do not have to pay Micosoft $100 for upgraded version of Win 10. Like we paid to upgrade XP to Vista, to upgrade Vista to Win 7. Me, I just paid the $100 for OEM version and install a new version of Windows ( XP, Vista and Win 7 ).

I found this site worth reading and the comments below:

How to upgrade to Windows 10 and get your new licence key (http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/software/operating-systems/1403593/how-to-upgrade-to-windows-10-and-get-your-new-licence-key)

Not looking good right now that the free Win 10 upgrade version will let you keep your old Win 7 still installed. But maybe give it a few months and somebody will give us a way to do it.

Or I could put in a hard drive switch that just power up the HD(s) I want. Want to run Win 10, turn power on for that drive. Want to run Win 7, turn power off to Win 10 drive and power on to Win 7 drive. And leave the other 2 hard drives on all the time, to install games to and record video too.

http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/FREE-SHIPPING-ORICO-HD-PW4101-BK-3-5-Hard-Drive-Power-Switch-for-Easy-HD-and/1665474_32259938512.html

I will be upgrading my gaming computer come Christmas with a new CPU and video card, so I definitely will wait until after upgrading computer before I make a decision on upgrading to Win 10.
Title: Re: Concerning windows 10... will you upgrade to it?
Post by: Finsku on August 06, 2015, 11:07:31 PM
I updated free to W10 and works great. I haven't any problems and with some games it looks like I get better fps. But I have read that not every old game works with W10..

And it's free, I got W8 via school for free and update was also free. Installing went easily and any program or file didn't disappear *thumb up*. Never had this easy OS install.
Title: Re: Concerning windows 10... will you upgrade to it?
Post by: dbs213 on August 07, 2015, 06:30:36 AM
I just can't be bothered with "upgrading" to a new OS. Windows 8 was already bad enough for me.

The id tracking thing on Win10 doesn't look any good either.
Title: Re: Concerning windows 10... will you upgrade to it?
Post by: ThomasMink on August 07, 2015, 03:31:05 PM
I have time to decide.
I'm pretty content with win7 though.
Title: Re: Concerning windows 10... will you upgrade to it?
Post by: Adenru on August 07, 2015, 04:57:11 PM
No.
Title: Re: Concerning windows 10... will you upgrade to it?
Post by: MamieNova on August 07, 2015, 06:14:58 PM
My RoG notebook runs win8, so I'll upgrade it first. It doesn't hold much private stuff anyway; when I'm not travelling, it's mostly used as a game console/divx player hooked to the tv. Might as well get the dx 12 for future use.
Title: Re: Concerning windows 10... will you upgrade to it?
Post by: Purple44 on August 07, 2015, 07:48:10 PM
My RoG notebook runs win8, so I'll upgrade it first. It doesn't hold much private stuff anyway; when I'm not travelling, it's mostly used as a game console/divx player hooked to the tv. Might as well get the dx 12 for future use.

Remember got to upgrade to Win 8.1 before you can do the free Win 10 upgrade.
Title: Re: Concerning windows 10... will you upgrade to it?
Post by: Majatek on August 09, 2015, 07:25:09 AM
I'll be upgrading in a couple of years. Give them time to work out the kinks (and finally add Cortana for Australia). :)
Title: Re: Concerning windows 10... will you upgrade to it?
Post by: DD-Indeed on October 05, 2015, 09:59:32 AM
Installed Win 10 after using 7 for many years now. And it was a good move. Yes, there is a lot of useless ''bloatware'' programs, but, you can hide those. And of course, remember to take off all of the settings during the install (if you want), that would send data to MS and go through some of the program settings too to keep you ''hidden''.

Then it comes to the big question, is it fast ?

Yes, it is. A lot. More efficient and lighter than Win7/8/8.1. Even the boot is faster than in those previous ones. You can see, that it is desinged to work on multiple different platforms.

And other plus-sides include ability to add multiple desktops (Apple, you're not alone anymore), much more clearer and simpler look (but, some programs are not yet optimized for it, so some of the programs look bad on it for now).

So it's already good, even thou, it's unfinished here and there and is missing some features. Highly recommended. :)
Title: Re: Concerning windows 10... will you upgrade to it?
Post by: St. Jimmy on October 05, 2015, 04:34:07 PM
Next summer at the earliest. I'm waiting for CPU and Motherboard upgrade in the future and I won't go to Win10 until I've made that. When/If I install the Win 10 I'll strip it out as much as I can so no extra thingys are running. I'm worried a lot of the automatic updates because they can fuck up the system pretty quikcly. For example my Win7 start-up was slowed down a lot (doubled) because of the "Get Windows 10" update because I had turned on the automatic updates at some point...
Title: Re: Concerning windows 10... will you upgrade to it?
Post by: WorldofBay on October 05, 2015, 09:29:42 PM
And other plus-sides include ability to add multiple desktops (Apple, you're not alone anymore)

GNU/linux systems have multiple desktops for a very long time now, i doubt apple was EVER alone with that
debian for example has 4 desktops by default
Title: Re: Concerning windows 10... will you upgrade to it?
Post by: DD-Indeed on October 05, 2015, 11:17:21 PM
And other plus-sides include ability to add multiple desktops (Apple, you're not alone anymore)

GNU/linux systems have multiple desktops for a very long time now, i doubt apple was EVER alone with that
debian for example has 4 desktops by default

Forgot about Linux, my bad. :)
Title: Re: Concerning windows 10... will you upgrade to it?
Post by: Zebulon55 on October 06, 2015, 09:00:35 AM
A somewhat lesser implementation of virtual desktops was available on windows XP via the free powertoy Virtual Desktop Manager.

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Title: Re: Concerning windows 10... will you upgrade to it?
Post by: Zebulon55 on October 06, 2015, 09:10:38 AM
Back on topic, I have upgraded to Windows 10. I have experienced a few glitches, including Win10 loading a unusual free font as the system font, and the taskbar & Cortana didn't play well with Avast antivirus. Overall, so far, I like Win 10 better than Win 8.1.
Wreckfest seems to run well in either Windows version.

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Title: Re: Concerning windows 10... will you upgrade to it?
Post by: MamieNova on October 07, 2015, 01:05:05 AM
Actually, windows has multiple desktop support since winXP, it's simply disabled by default.
Some microsoft guy explained in a book the reason behind it (with other funfacts) : they didn't want their customer support to be flooded by  people asking why their applications had suddenly disappeared.
Back then, litestep was the best known way to enable multidesktop, but iirc, you could also simply tweak some registry key.
Also, there's this : http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows/how-to-get-virtual-desktops-on-windows-xp/ (http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows/how-to-get-virtual-desktops-on-windows-xp/)
Title: Re: Concerning windows 10... will you upgrade to it?
Post by: rhamm on December 19, 2015, 05:13:09 AM
I had it but went back to Win 7 after I tried doing a fresh reinstall and they wanted me to pay money.
Title: Re: Concerning windows 10... will you upgrade to it?
Post by: MamieNova on December 19, 2015, 06:13:39 AM
did you try that fresh install on a new motherboard maybe ?
Title: Re: Concerning windows 10... will you upgrade to it?
Post by: Zebulon55 on December 19, 2015, 10:56:19 AM
I had it but went back to Win 7 after I tried doing a fresh reinstall and they wanted me to pay money.

So you did the upgrade and that worked and activated? Then you wiped the disk and clean reinstalled and it wouldn't activate?

I have done the upgrade & activation, and planned a clean reinstall for the near future. I was under the impression once I activated as Win10 upgrade, then the clean install could be activated as well.

I never want to go back to Windows 8.1.

Edit: Hard drive crashed; reinstalled windows 10 and activated. working great.
Title: Re: Concerning windows 10... will you upgrade to it?
Post by: MamieNova on December 19, 2015, 12:42:58 PM
I upgraded both my computers AND clean reinstalled them afterwards, no problem. Desktop had a valid win7, notebook a valid win8
Title: Re: Concerning windows 10... will you upgrade to it?
Post by: rhamm on December 19, 2015, 02:09:31 PM
Yes, that's what happened. Think it's because my version of Win 7 was an upgrade version or possibly because I moved Win 7 to a new computer once when I upgraded it.
Title: Re: Concerning windows 10... will you upgrade to it?
Post by: MamieNova on December 19, 2015, 11:35:25 PM
upgrading to windows 10 registers your motherboard as linked to your windows 10 license. You can then reinstall windows 10 without any need for a cd key.

huh, talking about a cd key, did you try to enter your win7 key when asked for a key by the win10 install ? That might be your problem if you did =D
If your upgrade went fine, you can leave it blank and click continue.
Title: Re: Concerning windows 10... will you upgrade to it?
Post by: rhamm on December 20, 2015, 02:18:26 PM
I left it blank and it wouldn't activate without money.
Title: Re: Concerning windows 10... will you upgrade to it?
Post by: MamieNova on December 20, 2015, 11:54:34 PM
I can see two other things :

you upgraded a win7 32bits, and thus have a 32bit win10 license (that would suck), yet you tried to clean install a 64 version (it has to be confirmed for win10 since I didn't try, but in the case of win XP or 7, the first time you activate, your cd key will be associated with the type you installed, 32 or 64)

the other case is pretty similar : OEM version or retail. OEM windows are the ones you can find preinstalled on fully assembled computers like a HP/acer/... desktop or notebook. Retail is the one you're supposed to buy when you assemble your own computer.

If you upgraded an OEM version and then tried to clean install with the retail win 10 ISO, that might be your issue.
Title: Re: Concerning windows 10 will you upgrade to it
Post by: findRED on March 03, 2016, 07:37:48 AM
Diver Dave your photography is very good.  I would love to come to alaska 

Just out of curiosity how long is the drive from seattle?  Or is that not possible?

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Title: Re: Concerning windows 10... will you upgrade to it?
Post by: Purple44 on June 19, 2016, 04:45:57 AM
GRRR, almost had to reboot computer back to Win 7 tonight since my pedals would not work under Win 10!!! Will post later what I had to do to fix and my other funs of "upgrading" to Win 10.   :P
Title: Re: Concerning windows 10... will you upgrade to it?
Post by: Purple44 on June 20, 2016, 02:58:48 AM
Ok, this week I bit the bullet and did the free upgrade to Win 10 before time run out come July 29.

I wanted to keep Win 7 ( because of Flatout 1 ) and dual boot Win 10. That was my goal I wanted to reach after I do the Win 10 upgrade. I bought a new 2 TB Black Western Digital HD (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822236624). My current 4 hard drives are all about full, recording to many online racing videos!!

I posted this last summer:

I found this site worth reading and the comments below:

How to upgrade to Windows 10 and get your new licence key (http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/software/operating-systems/1403593/how-to-upgrade-to-windows-10-and-get-your-new-licence-key)

Not looking good right now that the free Win 10 upgrade version will let you keep your old Win 7 still installed. But maybe give it a few months and somebody will give us a way to do it.



So I head back to the expert reviews site to refresh my memory of how do a Win 10 upgrade and found this:

Performing a clean install of Windows 10 - new information

Microsoft has finally fixed one of the most annoying parts of Windows 10: the activation. When it first launched, if upgraders wanted a clean install of Windows 10 they had to upgrade their existing PC first and then clean install. As of now, the Windows 10 installation wizard recognises Windows 7 and Windows 8 licence keys, automatically upgrading them to Windows 10 (or recognising previously upgraded codes). This means that you can clean install and upgrade to Windows 10 at the same time, skipping the steps below if you want to start from scratch. Follow the Expert Reviews guide to clean installing Windows 10 (http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/software/operating-systems/1401617/how-to-clean-install-windows-10-and-create-boot-media) for more information.



So after reading this, I'm thinking I can clone my Win 7 drive onto the new 2 TB hard drive and install Win 10 cleanly on a unused portion of new HD. Nope, can't do that.

The big issue that I ran into that stop me from doing this was "Windows can't be installed on MBR. Convert to GPT."
(http://superuser.com/questions/1005392/installing-windows-10-windows-cant-be-installed-on-mbr-convert-to-gpt)

"Master boot record (MBR) disks use the standard BIOS partition table. GUID partition table (GPT) disks use unified extensible firmware interface (UEFI). One advantage of GPT disks is that you can have more than four partitions on each disk. GPT is also required for disks larger than 2 terabytes.

You can change a disk from MBR to GPT partition style as long as the disk does not contain any partitions or volumes."


The Win 10 installer would not let me install Win 10 on to an allocated part of the new drive because of cloning Win 7 onto new HD. Hard drive is using Master boot record. To do clean install, the new hard drive has to be wipe clean so installer can make drive GPT before installing Win 10.

I did try and wipe new drive clean and then converted drive to GPT, then did the cloning with Acronis True Image, but drive was MBR after cloning process and Win 10 installer still did not like new drive.

So I was force to have do the upgrading of Win 10 over the top of Win 7 on the cloned new hard drive so I would not lose the 250 GB of games. I want to keep the old drive with Win 7 so when I retire current gaming computer in couple more years, I can use the old Win 7 hard drive to surf the internet.

In the end, I think it workout better for me that I upgraded Win 7 instead of doing clean install of Win 10. When Win 10 first booted up, it was how Win 10 is. There no option to turn off automatic updates in Win 10.  >:( And when you go to shut down Windows, you see Update and Shut Down or Update and Restart. There no just shut down button!!  :o Win 10 is update happy, it want to force you keep Win 10 up to date. I did find this to try and tame Win 10:

I went here to find away to stop the automatic upgrades. Did the group policy thing:

http://www.howtogeek.com/224471/how-to-prevent-windows-10-from-automatically-downloading-updates/

I don't like Windows updating itself. I prefer to wait for a service pack and then update Windows. I also stay away from using Internet Explorer since hackers love to pick on Microsoft. I stick to using Firefox.

But when I rebooted computer and got into Win 10 a second time, it look like my Win 7 desktop, had all my shortcuts ( was missing some the first time ) and now it say Shut down, like it did in Win 7, when I go to close Win 10. :)  And doing the upgrade over Win 7, save me the time to have to reinstall everything ( 4 years worth of stuff ).

But I did run into a couple of issue with the update so far.

1. 
Hey, it my turn to post in my thread. :P

Problem:
After letting Microsoft upgraded my Win 7 to Win 10, I now need 3d glasses to play Wreckfest!  :o

(http://www.lay-zmattress.com/flatout2/purple44/Next%20Car%20Game%202016/where-3d-glasses.jpg)

Solution:
If I alt-tab and then go back to Wreckfest, that would get rid of the 3D effect. But I wanted a better fix. So I did a Google search for " this application is not rated by nvidia corp " And got a link to this thread:

This application is not rated by Nvidia Corp (https://steamcommunity.com/app/346110/discussions/0/490125737469356737/)

Quote from: DrunkNinja
     Nov 14, 2015
Loading the title screen when I was given a message in the bottom left of screen saying "This application is not rated by nvidia corp"...

Followed by my game skitzing out and all the colours turning a brown orange and white mess. Now unplayable.

Drivers are current and been playing no problems for months, until today.

Any ideas? Can't find any information about this problem, I'm clueless.

****FIXED**** Something was causing the game to start in 3D mode, disable sterioscopic 3D in Nvidia control panel.

So I go check the Nvidia control panel and find this:

(http://www.lay-zmattress.com/flatout2/purple44/Next%20Car%20Game%202016/where-3d-glasses2.jpg)

I unclick sterioscopic 3D setting, fire up Wreckfest and the 3D effect is gone. :)

Doing the Win 10 upgrade over Win 7 kept my current Nividia drivers, but somehow the upgrade enable the sterioscopic 3D setting.

2. As I mention early, I go and do some benchmarking for this post and I find out my DFGT wheel pedals do not work any more under Win 10!!!  >:(

My pedals were working fine earlier in the day when I had Win 7 loaded, but now the pedals not working under Win 10. I thought it might be the driver Microsoft loaded, so I delete them and go to Logitech web site and download Logitech Gaming Software Win 10, 64bit version and install and still have the same problem.

I go and do the calibration and the steering and buttons work, but when go to part for the pedals, nothing happens. I also notice that it says Driving Force Wheel, not Driving Force GT Wheel. I'm thinking this might be the problem. Windows not seeing my Wheel as a DFGT with pedals.

Lucky for me I got the old Logitech Gaming Software that date 4\2012 that I used for Win 7 and this file has the same name as the one I download from Logitech, just a different date. So I uninstall the new Logitech Gaming Software and install the old Logitech Gaming Software from 2012 and now my DFGT wheel works again!

Here link to the 2012 Logitech Gaming Software I used if anybody need it. Be warned it a compress exe file, so may trigger your anti-virus:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/jnvu02qisqrc9po/logitech-gs510_x64+-+2012.exe

Some have said Win 10 has made some games run better, higher FPS. So I thought I give this a test with Win 7 and Win 10 and Wreckfest. I pick Gravel track since it toughest track on FPS, no AI to throw off the test. I do a 1 lap race first so computer has graphics loaded, then do a 3 lap race and benchmark this race with Fraps.

Win 7:
Frames, Time (ms), Min, Max, Avg
 12313,    200000,  53,  73, 61.565



Win 10:
Frames, Time (ms), Min, Max, Avg
 12451,    200000,  53,  73, 62.255


I did not see an increase in FPS with upgrading to Win 10 and my 960 video card using the same drivers in Win 7 and 10.



About Flat out 1 does not work on Windows 10 (http://community.bugbeargames.com/index.php/topic,8155.0.html). I gave it a go to see if I could get our community mod for Flatout 1, that uses the Euro patch v1.1 flatout.exe, to work. I tried a bunch compatibility modes and had no luck.

If you want to run Flatout 1 under Win 10, seem you still are stuck using the Steam v1.0 version, that not patch and will not work with our Flatout Joint community mod.  :(

So this one reason I wanted be able to dual boot between Win 7 and Win 10. It would of been nice at boot up, computer ask me if I want Win 7 or Win 10. But that did not happen. But I find I can go into the BIOS and change boot priority to my second hard drive that still has Win 7 and save and computer will boot to Win 7. I can live with this.

So their my Win 10 upgrade story. Win 10 going need some tweaking to make it more my kind of user friendly. Good thing there the internet and Google.

So far I don't see anything in Win 10 that I need that was not in Win 7. Win 7 was needed after Vista took away user friendly interface.  If you got a bunch of devices and want to sync them with the "cloud" or need a personal assistant that can be voice activated ( Cortana ), then you might want Win 10.  :P

I don't like when I start the Start Menu, some the windows are going to the internet and updating themselves. Like pushing a new game or giving you news on Donald trump! Can this be a problem while gaming ( and not having an anti virus program running on my gaming computer )? Does Start Menu stay "quiet" when it not open? I will be looking to find out how I can get start menu back to the classic view of XP.
Title: Re: Concerning windows 10... will you upgrade to it?
Post by: Daystar on June 20, 2016, 05:05:55 AM
Thanks for the detailed report about your Windows 10 experience. I believe I will stick with my windows 7... it does everything I need. seems win10 likes to force things on people, ie updates, partition rules, offers etc.
so no thank you  :)

Title: Re: Concerning windows 10... will you upgrade to it?
Post by: MamieNova on June 21, 2016, 05:37:56 AM
upgraded 3 different computers to windows 10, main and only problem : windows update -__-
Title: Re: Concerning windows 10... will you upgrade to it?
Post by: MamieNova on June 21, 2016, 05:42:56 AM
Come to think about it, there was a power outage today, while my computer was in sleep mode. I still have all my unsaved notepads and stuff as if it did not happen.
Windows 10 does some things pretty well (like notebooks' battery life).
Title: Re: Concerning windows 10... will you upgrade to it?
Post by: tolliverj on July 18, 2016, 08:06:06 PM
I for one will not get win 10, eveeer I'm going to wait till win 7 is no longer supported.
Title: Re: Concerning windows 10... will you upgrade to it?
Post by: Daystar on July 18, 2016, 08:53:38 PM
I for one will not get win 10, eveeer I'm going to wait till win 7 is no longer supported.

Good tolliverj.. yeah I am the same way. I really really do not need a system which is bloated with a lot of stuff which I would never probably use anyways. Windows 7 has everything I need, and is so easy to use, and I like it's menus better. my wife has Windows 10 on her new laptop she got last month, and sometimes I am peering over her way, looking at her use the laptop, and I am telling myself thank god I don't have that system haha.  :P